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General Discussion / Re: Dry kilns emissions reduction
« Last post by MichaelM on February 06, 2018, 07:19:49 PM »
I simply cannot agree that VOCs are reduced by a heat exchange device that condenses some of the vent steam to water.  Most VOCs will stay in the gas phase.  A tiny amount will go into the water, but not enough to change a permit. 

If you need evidence of this just look at how emissions testing is done (it is an NCASI method and I don't remember the number, maybe 98 or 99).  Kiln gas is bubbled through impingers with the water  to close to 32F, then the VOCS are collected as a gas in summa cans after the impingers.  If the VOCS  were water soluble, they would go into the 32F water.  Very little does.  I have run the method.  The water in a heat exchanger is far warmer and even less of the VOCS enter the liquid phase.  Keep in mind - the pinenes, fatty acids, etc (the high molecular weight stuff) are hydrophobic to begin with and don't mix with water.
Now consider the low molecular weight stuff.  In NCASI method 105, we again use impingers to get the aldehydes (formaldehyde, acetaldehyde etc) into the water at 32F and react them with benzyl hydroxyl amine to form a high molecular weight, hydrophilic compound to keep them in the water at 32F.  Everything is keep on ice or refrigerated until lab analysis.  We can capture methanol pretty well in 32F water without a reaction, but all these low MW compounds are too volatile to ever stay in water at the temperature in a heat exchanger. 

I hope that makes it clear where I coming from on this.  Besides all that I have measured VOC before and after a heat exchanger.  The heat exchanger did not remove VOCS or methanol or formaldehyde even though water was condensed ("less steam coming out the vents").
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General Discussion / Re: Dry kilns emissions reduction
« Last post by ingo wallocha on February 06, 2018, 02:58:26 PM »
when you have less steam coming out of the vents you have less VOC coming out of the vents. When a heat recovery unit reduces your energy consumption you will have less VOC. And yes, Craig, as far as I can tell the emissions stay dissolved in the water there are fewer emissions.
 
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General Discussion / Re: Dry kilns emissions reduction
« Last post by MichaelM on February 02, 2018, 03:50:45 PM »
If you reduce steam use, I agree that plant emissions will be reduced because less fuel is burned.  I'm not sure that a heat recovery device reduces overall kiln emissions.

In my earlier post, I said the heat recovery device does not remove emissions.  If one pound of VOC enteres the device in the gas phase, the about one pound leaves in the gas phase.  A tiny amount goes into the condensed water based on Henry's law.  Same for HAPs.  The water is too warm to absorb volitile organic componds. 
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General Discussion / Re: Dry kilns emissions reduction
« Last post by Craig Jensen on February 02, 2018, 02:58:14 PM »
so the emissions stay dissolved in the water, and since the water does not leave the vents, then there are fewer emissions?

is that what you are staying?
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General Discussion / Re: hot check procedures
« Last post by Craig Jensen on February 02, 2018, 02:56:30 PM »
ouch!! :) :)
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General Discussion / Re: hot check procedures
« Last post by ingo wallocha on February 02, 2018, 02:44:08 PM »
haha...ok..does that apply to the kiln operators too???  ;D 
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General Discussion / Re: Dry kilns emissions reduction
« Last post by ingo wallocha on February 02, 2018, 02:42:41 PM »
Hi Craig,

The water that we have to evaporate out of the lumber will always stay the same and it has to go somewhere. So when I am saying less VOC I am just referring to less steam coming out of the vents. There will be condensate instead. So I am saying that the overall plant emissions will be down and the VOCs will be down but not the kiln emissions since they are a result of evaporating the water in the wood.

Makes sense? 
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General Discussion / Re: hot check procedures
« Last post by Craig Jensen on February 02, 2018, 01:53:28 PM »
many of our kilns are relics from the past . . . . ;D
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General Discussion / Re: Dry kilns emissions reduction
« Last post by Craig Jensen on February 02, 2018, 01:52:20 PM »
Ingo,
Are you talking about overall plant emissions being down because of the lower fuel consumption needed to generate heat due to increased heat efficiency?  Or are you saying that if heat use in the kiln is more efficient, than the kiln itself will emit fewer emissions from the wood drying process?
CJ
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